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O’Connor: On John Tortorella’s Flyers legacy — the good and bad — and why now, others control how it will be viewed

Charlie O'Connor
Charlie O'Connor
April 17, 2025
O’Connor: On John Tortorella’s Flyers legacy — the good and bad — and why now, others control how it will be viewed
Feb 27, 2025; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA; Philadelphia Flyers head coach John Tortorella reacts on the bench against the Pittsburgh Penguins during the second period at PPG Paints Arena. Mandatory Credit: Charles LeClaire-Imagn Images

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MarioD

MarioD

April 17, 2025

Very simply: the good things (controlled entry and 5v5 success) could have been achieved by any number of coaches who simply weren’t jerks.

The choice to hire a coach who acts like a jerk and keep him past his expiration date (March 2024) was an error.

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Jason

Jason

April 17, 2025

Go away.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

April 17, 2025

Yeah. Any coach can get a team to perform well above its talent level. Sure.

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MarioD

MarioD

April 18, 2025

They just finished fourth worst in the league. Because of how badly they were coached.

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reyo

reyo

April 18, 2025

Please name the many coaches available who would have done better.

guadzilla

guadzilla

April 17, 2025

Fair post, Charlie. We all have our opinions on how each specific player could/should have been handled and can debate that till the cows come home, but all that has been said already.

I want to comment on the idea that that tough coaching is “cruel” – and this is just a general comment, and not specifically about Torts.

This is professional sports and dealing with pressure is a key part of it: whether you are a QB trying to make a key 4th down play, a basketball player trying to make a clutch free throw or whatever.

Ultimately, the flop side to the guaranteed contracts NHL players get is that they need to produce up to their potential. And ice time is the only currency a coach has to control reward/punishment. Lastly, pro athletes are super competitive and are able to absorb a lot more tough love than we think – in fact, I’d be worried about a 20-something who is unable to, as that doesn’t bode well for their mental fortitude.

The way I see it: no player who was benched or has his ice time cut short didn’t deserve it – it was all triggered by poor play. So all these arguments seem to be more about hurt feelings than whether the punishments were deserved.

And personally, i tend to be less inclined to care much about the hurt feelings aspect for the reason above – and also because i think professional athletes should be able to handle a lot more pressure than average joes like us.

Of course, it can go to too far and can make the locker room toxic – personal abuse and lack of honesty are key factors that contrite to this. As is excessive/disproportionate punishment (which you have alluded to in the case of Torts).

But a country club atmosphere isn’t necessarily the best either. Different sport and different culture, yes, but no one ever accused Belichick of being a warm fuzzy coach or having a comfortable environment to play for, either.

A certain degree of conflict/lack of comfort in a competitive sports environment is a healthy thing, IMO.

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bjm0822

bjm0822

April 19, 2025

Benching guys who aren’t performing and coaching them in a demanding manner is fine. The areas that concern me are Charlie’s note that he repeatedly benched guys knowing that they had family there specially because they were in their home cities or other particular circumstances, and the repeated comments from players who seemed to have no communication from him about WHY they were benched. That lack of communication is at best ineffective and in the right circumstances could be determined as cruel.

Jason

Jason

April 17, 2025

This is an excellent, nuanced understanding of Torts, both good and bad. Thanks, Charlie.

On a different topic, what a masterstroke to start Kolosov in Game 82. The team nearly gave me a heart attack at the end, but they did what needed to be done and lost in regulation. Now on to the draft.

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

April 17, 2025

Ha, yeah, I was hoping they would put Emil Andrae or Brink between the pipes for a 10 to 4 loss guarantee, but skin of their teeth, Kolosov between the pipes got the job done. Nice loss, 4th best odds in the lottery. Should be an interesting off season, with a real opportunity to find a stud at 1-C or 1-D. We will know when this rebuild is in full swing once they land young studs for these 3 key positions. Time for DB and Jonesy to earn their pay.

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

April 17, 2025

Third being 1-G.

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Mike Curry

Mike Curry

April 19, 2025

I was really hoping Charlie would make Kolosov his No. 1 star of the finale!

Bob MCH

Bob MCH

April 17, 2025

Great post-mortem article Charlie, you clearly put a ton of thought into it, time, and carefully placed your words as appropriate as this coach’s tenure deserves. The article does a great job presenting the Flyers organization from the perspective of the players, the coaching, and the culture. But for me, what is even more critical, is an honest evaluation of the team from the perspective of the performance of the front office management during Torts reign of terror.

I continue to believe Torts was completely the wrong coach for a rebuild. He saw it was needed, but was not really on board with how it had to be done, from a talent acquisition perspective. What I mean by that is, he only knows how to win. He is not going to let a lousy roster bottom out for high draft picks. He can’t. Its not his fault, it is just not in his nature. So that said, he should not have had the reins of this rebuild for the past three years. They needed to tank for three years in a row, to get a top five pick, so they could acquire that 1-C, that 1-D, and that 1-G that is critical for a turnaround and major step toward being a Cup contender. He belongs coaching a talented veteran team on the cusp of a Cup. Not the case with the Flyers.
So what has his tenure cost the Flyers as far as talent acquisition? A lot.

Torts may have cost them a perennial 40 goal scorer in Gauthier who may have rejected playing for the Flyers because he did not want to play under Torts (just look at how strong he came on in the second half of the season). But Torts also definitely cost them a top five draft pick last year, 2024, when he coached a dreadful roster to a middling draft pick with his “system” wins that are meaningless when the goal for a rebuild is to find elite talent, not win a mediocre amount of the games for one season. In essence, Torts may have cost them two top five picks, Gauthier, and last year’s pick, that ended up being a mid-round, fast skating Jett who has trouble shooting the puck, more suited for an Olympic speed skating tournament — the typical 3rd line center the Flyers seem so enamored with. What if: 1) Gauthier was playing for the Flyers now, along with Michkov, two high probability 40 goal scorers for years to come, and 2) they got a 1-C in last year’s top five of the draft, and 3) have the 4th or better pick of this coming draft? That’s how you rebuild a dreadful roster, you do not let Torts ruin two-thirds of what should have been.

Which brings up a point that has to be addressed. How are the President and GM culpable for losing two top five talents in Gauthier and a pick last year that should have been? They are responsible for letting Torts be here. That’s on Jonesy and DB for failing to properly evaluate what the true goals for a rebuild should be, and how having Torts be the coach would impact, or in this case, retard, those goals.

If they recognized he would be a problem getting Gauthier to come, if he would keep a dreadful roster from tanking naturally into its rightful top five draft position for the next two years, they should have replaced Torts the second they got the job. But both being first timers in their jobs, they failed to take the necessary action of dumping Torts before the damage to the organization’s need for a top shelf young elite 1-C, 1-D, and 1-G. This is not just about Torts, its about failure from DB and Jonesy. Hopefully they will learn and get the three tentpoles of talent for a true rebuild that can lead to a Cup. With Thursday’s loss to Buffalo, Flyers odds of landing a 1-C just went up vastly.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

April 17, 2025

So you are ok with a player who backtracks on a commitment he made to the team, and acts like an entitled brat before even putting on an NHL uniform?

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

April 17, 2025

Yep. If he is 40 goals a year, you bet. He is submitting just fine in his new environment. Good teammate, etc… Kobe Bryant refused to play for Charlotte, and was fabulous with the Lakers. Great players get to choose sometimes. You have to work with them, make them feel wanted, give them some rope. If you want a championship, yes. Phils have listened to Harper. Eagles listen to Hurts. Its called good management of people. Hilferty should know better. He ran Independence Blue Cross. You find talent, you make concessions, you win.

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justin9958

justin9958

April 17, 2025

Cutter in the same conversation as Kobe is blasphemy. Perennial 40 goal scorer is rich. Please stop.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

April 18, 2025

I guess I see things differently.

Yes, I want the team to win – but i need I like the sport, the team and the players first.

One of the things I like about hockey is the culture of team-first / no primadonnas. A player who backtracks on his commitment to the team is not someone I can get behind, no matter how good he is. And if the reason was that he didn’t want to play for a tough coach – then I want that guy on my team even less.

There is only so much I can sacrifice about what I like about the sport at the altar of winning makes- especially when the winning/losing doesn’t actually affect my life in any tangible way.

Melissa Cohen

Melissa Cohen

November 14, 2025

Newer fan looking through the archives to try learn more about the Torts drama. This is quite possibly my favourite article I’ve read so far on PHLY and I don’t think it’s close. My Three Stars of this article:

1. “These hometown scratches surely inspired deeply embarrassing conversations with disappointed loved ones.” This made me gasp in horror (not speaking figuratively). A single sentence painting an entire scene. Gutwrenching

2. “Think back to an early December 2022 press conference when then-GM Chuck Fletcher pointed out that his team was only five points out of a wild-card spot — just after Tortorella had essentially tapped the word “rebuild” in Morse code in front of the media minutes earlier.” Extremely funny, love the worldbuilding.

3. “York clearly clashed with Tortorella, with his “I play for my teammates, not for Torts” stance and long-standing refusal to engage with Tortorella’s antics (at least until the very end) befuddling a coach whose coaching style is largely built on conflict.” Really interesting character notes

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