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O’Connor: Quiet offseason not a disaster for Flyers, but it was a missed opportunity

Charlie O'Connor
Charlie O'Connor
July 9, 2024
O’Connor: Quiet offseason not a disaster for Flyers, but it was a missed opportunity
Jun 28, 2024; Las Vegas, Nevada, USA; Jett Luchanko is selected by the Philadelphia Flyers with the 13th overall pick in the first round of the 2024 NHL Draft at The Sphere. Mandatory Credit: Stephen R. Sylvanie-USA TODAY Sports

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Justin Schilling

Justin Schilling

July 9, 2024

I would argue that passing on Buium was and will be shown to be a very significant missed opportunity as well.

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Charlie O'Connor

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July 9, 2024

Possibly! We’ll have to see how both Buium and Luchanko develop.

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rebusflyer

rebusflyer

July 10, 2024

Given that Buium was passed over by multiple teams, I wonder whether the rumors that his choice of agent (who also represents Gauthier and Johansen) had something to do with the Flyers passing on him.

In the case of Gauthier, the parallels are striking — both college players, both highly-regarded, by some reports close friends (along with Winnipeg’s Rutgers McGroarty, who is also represented by that agent and also seemingly is attempting to force a trade).
Maybe the Flyers felt that agent misled them, or misled Gauthier, or both. As to Johansen, again, maybe the Flyers believe the agent hasn’t been a straight shooter.

Who knows. Have you heard anything along these lines, Charlie?

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Charlie O'Connor

Charlie O'Connor

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July 10, 2024

I think it’s possible that the agent factor played a role, but as part of a number of factors, not the sole driving one. If they really, really liked Buium, they presumably would have prioritized making sure the two sides (Flyers and Kurt Overhardt) were on the same page pre-draft and that Buium would not “pull a Gauthier.” I don’t think they liked Buium enough (because of their scouts’ evaluation, because of the size thing on their future defense corps, etc) to work through all of that.

Bryan

Bryan

July 9, 2024

It’s pretty simple, Charlie. Just need to trade Konecny, Beezer, and Risto for another 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Then, pray to Bettman that we win the lottery and draft Hagens. I’m ready to get hurt again.

guadzilla

guadzilla

July 9, 2024

I dont know that this season was a wasted opportunity. Yes, they are losing a year in the rebuild but that is not because of inactivity on Briere’s part but because of their cap situation. So there never really was an opportunity per se to begin with.

The way i see it, they are certainly following a plan.

– This year, take a swing at a higher-upside player in Luchanko over Helenius (after their attempt to get an impact prospect failed)
– Next year, accumulate shed tons of picks and wait for cap space to free up, which will give them the ammo to go after a player or two in trade or FA

That sets them up to be fairly competitive by 2026 – which also happens to be in relatively peak Konecny years.

The devil will lie in the details of who they get – but as a plan goes, it is very sound.

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Tyson Robertson

Tyson Robertson

July 9, 2024

Oh, geez. I don’t know who started this “can’t do anything because of the cap” garbage, but it’s simply ot true. We can still take on bad contracts if we want, and we can still sign/trade any player we want. The cap is notacurrent restraint knowing we have ~10 mill of ltir buffer if we need it.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 9, 2024

So here is how that LTIR works.

– If they are cap compliant at the start of the season, then when they put Johansen and Ellis on IR, they get cap relief for that season – so they may be able to make $10MM worth of moves but only after the season starts. But this means they have to carry that cap space now – which most definitely limits what they can do.

In addition, since they cannot bank this cap space, I am not sure if they can use this to pay for Michkov’s expected accrued bonuses. Which means they need to keep some additional cap space free for that purpose – or have those bonuses count against next year’s cap money.

– If they sign a bunch of players and go over the cap, and use the LTIR to become compliant for the start of the season, they only get relief up to the cap (not for the entire salary amount). For simplicity’s sake, let’s assume the cap is $90MM, Ellis’s contract is $6MM and Johansen’s contract is $4MM. If the Flyers are at $97MM, they will need to put both Ellis and Johansen on LTIR but this only gets them to $90MM (not $87MM).

There is some flexibility here – they can go to $94MM over the cap, put Johansen on IR to become cap compliant and then put Ellis on IR after the season starts – which give them an additional $6MM of space.

But they can’t take on a lot more in terms of bad contracts and such – atleast not until the season starts.

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Charlie O'Connor

Charlie O'Connor

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July 9, 2024

This season wasn’t a missed opportunity, in my opinion. There were lots of positive developments.

This offseason, however, was. They were actively trying to do things. But they ultimately didn’t. So now they have to do more things next summer.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 9, 2024

Sorry, i did mean off-season. Sloppy phrasing on my part.

Technically, it is true they didnt do much. But that failure to do anything doesnt necessarily mean much, as NOW is not when they need to do something – it is by 2026.

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Jeff Iannuzzi

Jeff Iannuzzi

July 10, 2024

What opportunity did they miss? They had no cap space and a good not great top draft pick. We can sit in our office chairs all day and hypothesize on trades they should have made, but it takes two to tango. Honestly surprised on your take, which sounds closer to a WIP caller than your usual logical analysis. They have assets they could move during the season as injuries occur, cap space is banked, and teams prepare for the playoffs. They increased their assets in a potentially better draft than 2024. Flexibility in the 2025 draft with draft capital and cap space could be when the team rebounds in earnest.

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Charlie O'Connor

Charlie O'Connor

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July 10, 2024

This rebuild isn’t going to work if the Flyers just sit on their hands and wait. They don’t have enough talent, and they’re not likely to draft in spots where impact-level, top-of-the-lineup talent is unearthed. And that’s intentional. They’ve chosen not to tear it down and bottom out. They’ve purposely chosen to stay competitive.

Which means that to get the talent they need to be Cup contenders, they need to make (and win) trades. This offseason was an opportunity to do that. They didn’t. Therefore, it’s a missed opportunity, by definition. If they have a monster 2025 offseason, it won’t matter that they missed this opportunity. But we have no idea if they are going to successfully have a monster 2025 offseason. We do know they didn’t have a monster 2024 offseason, though. Which is why it’s a missed opportunity.

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 10, 2024

Agree. Yep. Draft positions going forward with this strategy will not be where stars are found. As I point out in below comment, the 3 picks they get next year will all be in the 20 to 30 area. That is not getting the job done. That is not where elite talent is procured. They have to make and as you say, win, trades, be willing to lose a lot, give up a few pearls like Konecny, and get top 10 picks.

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Jeff Iannuzzi

Jeff Iannuzzi

July 10, 2024

Sure they should just go out and “win trades”. Who is available they should have traded for? I disagree with your main point (I think) that there was opportunity to even miss. I understand they’ll need top end talent but my point is that I don’t believe this offseason had the players available that matched up with our assets and cap space.

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rebusflyer

rebusflyer

July 10, 2024

100% agree with you. The fact that Briere didn’t close any trades almost certainly wasn’t a missed opportunity, it was because there were no trades that made sense to Briere. He undoubtedly could have made trades that would have been splashy and brought in, for example, a center with first line potential, but if, hypothetically, the cost had been Konecny, Farabee, Frost, Ersson, and all three 2025 first rounders, I doubt many people would have been praising Briere for taking advantage of that “opportunity.” Instead, he would have been criticized (justifiably, IMHO) for having been taken advantage of.

MarioD

MarioD

July 9, 2024

The problem I see is that now they have a lot of pressure to move up in the 2025 draft which they just tried to do in 2023 and 2024 and were unable to accomplish.

What reason is there to believe they’ll succeed on the third go around?

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 10, 2024

There was no real expectation that they would move up in 2023. This is the NHL, not the NFL – teams rarely trade away top 5 picks. So that statement of yours is incorrect.

Yes, it is true that they were unable to do so in 2024. What does that have to do with future transactions? Just because you are unable to come to an agreement with one seller when it comes to making a purchase doesnt mean you are unable to make a purchase at all. Knowing when to walk away from a deal is a very useful skill – if Chuck Fletcher knew how to do that, for example, we wouldn’t be where we are now.

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rebusflyer

rebusflyer

July 10, 2024

👍👍🙏🙏👍👍

Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 9, 2024

Charlie, very good article, one of the best you have done this year. Here is my comment. Briere and company have erred in one key respect: The 3 draft picks they get next year will all be in the mid 20 area of the draft, that does not produce superstar elite prospects. Torts was one game from getting them to playoffs this year, and with MM, will for sure get them in this coming year, hence their draft pick in round 1 will be mid 20’s. The Edmonton pick could be closer to 30, as could the Colorado pick.
So, three mid to late first rounders and three second rounders is NOT going to get the job done to find stars, much needed stars to complement MM. The GM work has to improve. Get stars, not a quantity of 3rd liners.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 10, 2024

I wouldn’t say they have erred. They did what they could. The only teams forking out 1st round pick at the trade deadline are those making a deep run. Teams that are rebuilding dont go around trading their high picks.

FWIW, i dont think a depth/balanced approach is that bad, either. They will soon have the cap space to take on a couple of big-ticket FAs, and the picks to trade for them.

2025 is going to be a significant year.

jamesiy

jamesiy

July 9, 2024

Nice summary of the offseason, keep up the great work, I love reading your stuff & listening to the pod!!

One point I’d make though is that having more to do going forward isn’t just about this lackluster offseason. Despite the improvements you noted on the ice, off the ice last year was a disaster for the franchise from a 30,000 foot view.

At this point last year they had 2x blue chip prospects, a franchise goalie, cap space and were looking to be in the running for a 3rd blue chipper at the 2024 draft. Fast forward 1 year and they have 1 blue chip prospect, no franchise goalie and no cap space. Not the progress a lot of people hoped for.

It’s going to be a long road up picking in the mid-teens – 2 more losses and Dickenson would have left people feeling a lot better. Hopefully Edmonton goes the way of a couple recent cup losers and that pick ends up at 15/17/19 like 4 of the last 8 have.

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 9, 2024

Good point, losing Gauthier really hurt, and Drysdale is not equal value in return.

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Charlie O'Connor

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July 10, 2024

I would note that the Flyers were very aware this time last year that Carter Hart was unlikely to be in their long-term plans. That’s not a new development. It might have been to the fans, but it wasn’t internally. That’s why they signed Ersson to an extension a year early.

Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 9, 2024

Another thought: Obviously I was not privy to any negotiations for a trade this off season, however, one has to believe a trade offer of Konecny and their first round pick at # 12 would have gotten them a move up pick to land Catton for their future high probability 1-C in the same age bracket as MM. That is the sort of GM move that had to be made for this rebuild and did not happen. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need at a key position. I even would have thrown another player on top of K to get something like this done, maybe even add a 2nd rounder pick or two. If Catton is that good, you have to make the deal.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 10, 2024

If you are a team drafting in the top 7-8 (ie, also a rebuilding team), why would you take on Konecny?

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 10, 2024

Why not if you get the # 12 pick and a few other future #2’s? Of course you might. To drop back 5 spots or so? Sure someone would have.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 10, 2024

I dunno. A rebuilding team will have exactly the same calculus re TK that we do – currently in his prime but will be on the decline by the time they start contending.

I mean, is it possible? Sure. The Flyers did, by all a positive note, try to aggressively move up in the draft. Who knows what was dangled.

Michael Perez

Michael Perez

July 9, 2024

Ok. I doubt this is the actual plan, but I think the top 10 pick next year will be our own. This team is the team we saw the last 30 games with a one more weapon that’s going to give away as many goals as they score at first. Do we wanna take bets on which D gets injured first to let EJ into regular playing time? How many games is cal Peterson in net? what’s the ice under on coots games played? I think fans that are counting on same or slightly better outcome from this team are going to be sorely mistaken. This is the tank year to the extent torts will allow it.

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guadzilla

guadzilla

July 10, 2024

If I had to guess, I would say Tort’s focus this season is going to be in building up Michkov’s game – that is probably more important than W/L records.

As an aside, i am not sure i see why people are so worried about how Torts and Michkov are going to coexist.

For starters, Torts has been surprisingly flexible and nuanced with how he approaches players and gets them to play to their strengths – eg, with TK, he’s publicly accepted a certain level of defensive shortcomings in order to let TK be TK. Even with his handling of Frost (to which Charlie has taken an exception to since his days at the other place), it definitely seems to be aimed at getting Frost to play better – and it has worked to some degree.

Second – I dont really think Michkov is going to have an issue with playing for a coach who wants him to exceed. Have read several reports about how hyper-competitive he is.

Lastly – do we necessarily WANT a forward who ignores the defensive game entirely? We dont need Michkov to become a Selke forward but we dont need him to hang out at the red line waiting for a pass either. Somewhere between the two extremes, there is a sweet spot which maximizes Michkov’s offensive skills but also helps him develop into a more rounded player. Given how accepting Torts was of TK’s defensive shortcomings in the interest of his offensive creativity, i dont think he will be too unreasonable with Michkov.

Be that as it may, i am really looking forward to this season. The Flyers were a lot less painful to watch last year with their *significantly* improved structural play – now, adding a player of Michkov’s creativity should make them fun.

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Bob MCH

Bob MCH

July 10, 2024

And that is the point: Torts will not allow a tank. Wrong coach for a tank. He is good for 10 system wins a season, and Flyers will make playoffs next season. Book it. They hired him 3 years too soon. Should have tanked for 3 years, got three elite prospects, then hired Torts. In five years Flyers will be where nobody wants them, in the middle of the pack. Why? Because they did not tank, and they hired an elite coach without elite talent, so drafts are in the 15 to 25 area where 3rd liners are found.

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