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What is the “New Era of Orange”? Per Dan Hilferty and Keith Jones, it’s about reconnecting with fans, and reinvigorating Flyers culture

Charlie O'Connor
Charlie O'Connor
October 9, 2023
What is the “New Era of Orange”? Per Dan Hilferty and Keith Jones, it’s about reconnecting with fans, and reinvigorating Flyers culture
Oct 13, 2022; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA; Philadelphia Flyers fans in the concourse on Opening Night against the New Jersey Devils at Wells Fargo Center. Mandatory Credit: Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports

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MarioD

MarioD

October 9, 2023

These dinosaurs are just completely oblivious that the world has changed, huh? Everything is about “going back to the past” instead of modernizing for the present/future.

“It seems like it’s gone a little bit away from the culture that we had, that excitement in the building, just that family feel that we had”

John Leclair is referring to a time that was no less than 25 years and one building ago.

The feeling isn’t the same for probably a dozen reasons that can never be overcome:
– The Center is an enormous building compared to the Spectrum and the fan atmosphere has never been the same as a result
– Cell phones have resulted in audience disengagement and apathy at all walks of entertainment;
– Ticket prices have made it so that few people can afford to attend a large majority of games and create an atmosphere through their consistent presence (ie: fans aren’t sitting next to the same fans for 40 games a year and building relationships);
– players can’t be convinced a corporate owner cares about them like a son the way owners like Ed Snider did;
– after two labor stoppages in a dozen years or so, players and owners approach it much more like a business than ever before;
– TV money and other new revenue streams have raised the monetary stakes;
– Social media has allowed players to be individuals, and not rely on the team as much;
– the salary cap has an artificial player vs. player dynamic that chips away at team unity; now, not only are you competing with other guys at your position for playing time, you’re competing against the entire team for a share of $82mil;
– The relationship between players and fans has broken down since then; players no longer regular people that fans commingle with during regular life; many of them live somewhere else in the offseason, the players aren’t on one team for nearly as long, and they don’t realize socialize in regular society for another dozen different reasons I’ll skip over (gone are the days of drinking with the Bullies in South Jersey or at the Irish Pub with Pat Burrell after the respective game).

We are in full blown tilting at windmills and/or “let them eat cake” territory here.

MarioD Replying to MarioD
Chad

Chad

October 9, 2023

Well said Mario. I’ll add a couple things.
One, I am an “old school fan” that has been following this team religiously since 1980. My biggest frustration is that they refuse to move into the modern NHL. They refuse to learn from the succesful teams in the league NOW. They don’t want to build a team or play the game based on the teams that are succeeding in the modern league. Instead, we are building a team from the 4th line out, like the slightly better than mediocre Isles of the last half a decade. It’s embarrassing and bewildering.

The second is the GM hiring process. I have no problem on paper with Briere. BUT, the process to hire him was ridiculously flawed. It was admitted in the press conference that they didn’t even interview any GM candidate besides Briere. This is a team that was in utter turmoil and chaos for years, and only dealt with it after fans demanded it. They had a chance to bring in experienced people from around the league and get opinions from outsiders on organizational structures, approaches, players, staff, etc. Even if they had no interest in hiring them, they didn’t take a prime chance to get high level outside perspective and insight. Instead, they just said “we have our guy,” and moved on (a guy that happened to be on the inside, already). It’s another symptom of a ridiculous cockiness and myopia that has held the organization back for a long time.

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MarioD

MarioD

October 9, 2023

I’ll cosign those points.

Your first point about “learn from successful teams… NOW” is the biggest reason I’m not buying into this team.

There is a TON to learn from successful teams in every league, not just the NHL, which the Flyers continue to scoff at.

For starters, you don’t “build a [healthy] family-like organization” by using scratches to embarrass players, describing your players as “like a toilet seat” and all of the other Tortorella day-to-day bullshit. Modern sports (and business, and society) has finally evolved away from that toxic coach/player dynamic into one of mutual respect. So they’re never going to succeed in their “family-like atmosphere” until they hire a modern type coach, and they’re 0 for their last 2 on that front.

Second, it appears no one in the whole organization has any familiarity with modern sports science. Whether it’s counting throws on a pitcher’s arm (MLB), not practicing with pads anymore (NFL), or maintenance days (NBA), the landscape of sports has realized that healthy training is NOT about punitively stressing the body. And here the Flyers are, for a second year, doing fucking bag skates and spending days of camp without a hockey puck on the ice.

There’s just no indication at any level that this organization actually wants to modernize.

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Chad

Chad

October 9, 2023

Well said Mario. I’ll add a couple things.
One, I am an “old school fan” that has been following this team religiously since 1980. My biggest frustration is that they refuse to move into the modern NHL. They refuse to learn from the succesful teams in the league NOW. They don’t want to build a team or play the game based on the teams that are succeeding in the modern league. Instead, we are building a team from the 4th line out, like the slightly better than mediocre Isles of the last half a decade. It’s embarrassing and bewildering.

The second is the GM hiring process. I have no problem on paper with Briere. BUT, the process to hire him was ridiculously flawed. It was admitted in the press conference that they didn’t even interview any GM candidate besides Briere. This is a team that was in utter turmoil and chaos for years, and only dealt with it after fans demanded it. They had a chance to bring in experienced people from around the league and get opinions from outsiders on organizational structures, approaches, players, staff, etc. Even if they had no interest in hiring them, they didn’t take a prime chance to get high level outside perspective and insight. Instead, they just said “we have our guy,” and moved on (a guy that happened to be on the inside, already). It’s another symptom of a ridiculous cockiness and myopia that has held the organization back for a long time.

Tim Williamson

Tim Williamson

October 9, 2023

I think the biggest thing that the old regime did was they straight up lied to our faces and then seemingly couldn’t understand why we were angry. Philly fans in general are pretty smart when it comes to the teams we love and care for. Seems like this new regime understands that.

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